> > > In Antropolgy class today we discussed Creationism vs Evolution.
> > > This is a debate that I ussualy enjoy, if both sides can stay civil.
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> > Yeah, heh, Religion and Politics are two of the most inflammatory subjects I've ever known.
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> > > We watched a video on the Creationist point of veiw, I left not long after it started. One of the opening arguments was that Evolution is bad because Karl Marx liked it. That's not an argument, it's not even contradiction, the validity of the theory of Evolution has nothing to do with who belives it.
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> > Agreed. No belief must necessarily attach one believer in it to another.
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> > > the other argument was that a beliefe in Evolution negates the possibility of a God.
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> > I don't believe that it does.
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> > > Not so, I belive Evolution is the prosess God set up to produce us.
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> > However, I don't believe that it happened that way. But not because I don't believe he couldn't have.
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> > > The other reason I left was because I had heard these arguemts earler this year on the street corner when the traveling zelot stoped by to tell us we would all go to hell because we listen to rock and roll and the girls were pants instead of skirts.
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> > Yeesh. *Some* people...
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> > > Evolutionists are tring to have a serious debate and Creationists always seem to fall back on either character assassination, guilt by association, or just saying that thinking is bad and we need more blind obediance with out questions or independent thought.
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> > They seem to because that's what you see all the time. You left early on; I wonder if the rest of the video was like that, or if they brought up some good points later. They should have considered moving that to the end, or preferably omitting it altogether. It makes us look bad. I *hate* ad homenim, esp. when it comes from someone I otherwise might agree with. It causes others to paint me with the same brush.
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> > > Dar"I'm not new here, can you tell who I am?"win
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> > Nyper"Spider-Boy, is that you?"old
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> A while a ago I read something the Pope said about this. The gist of it was that belife in the sicentific explination does not conflict with Genisis. If you want to interpet "He created man out of dust" as the way the ancient Hebrews understood evolution from microbes (which developed after elements mixed in the anceint ocean and formed DNA) that is OK.
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> Genisis always seemed to be someone explianing a dream they had. A nomadic Hebrew goes to sleep one night and God explains (in a dream) the creation of the world. Now the big bang becomes "Let there be light (the light from the bang, since stars did not yet exist)", deep time (billions of year) is a hard concept for any one to grasp, but a week is comperehendable. This is what happens when an infinte mind like God's contacts the limited and confined minds of people, I think.
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> For the record I don't think Creationism should be taught in public school, it is a religous belife and we have seperation of church and state in the USA. If a parnet wants there kids to learn Creationism enrole them in a Catholic school, Sunday school, or home school them. Evolution is a scientific theory and belongs in science classes.
> At the most creationism should be presented as it is in my Anthroplogy class, another theory.
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But the problem with evolution in classrooms is the way teachers present it. Evolution is a theory, and far too many teachers teach it as fact. At least with creationism in schools students will be given an alternative to evolution.

And it's not fair to say that anyone who doesn't
like evolution should enrole their kids in private schools. They're just as entitled to a free education that doesn't deny their beleifs as everyone else.
-M"creationist, in case you're wondering."el