> Women have ALWAYS found ways to abort an unwanted baby. These methods have been dangerous, unsuccessful, and often unsanitary. Abortion MUST be legal, and there must be trained doctors available to perform this procedure without fear of being arrested or abused by others.

I think you know this is not a valid deduction. People will always continue to rape, pillage, and murder, and may do so in ways that endanger their own lives. By this rationale, if you were consistent, you would need to argue also for the legalization of the above crimes.

> Some of you believe life begins at conception, and many of you believe this because of your religion.

Many others believe it because it is indisputable. This argument should instead be about when that life becomes important--and any answer to that is inherently religious.

>Do you really want even *more* unwanted babies is this world?

Wanted by whom? I guarantee someone wants them, if not their mothers.

Many people don't honestly evaluate the logic of all their opinions. There are no exemptions from logic. If you prove me wrong, I should change my mind willingly and gladly, and vice versa. From this point, the only place to go is an argument about which religion is true, and thus, the one that should be followed. But this is, as you mentioned, a touchy subject. We'd never reach equanimity, let alone consensus.

gabby