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Re: Am I crazy, or brilliant, or both?
Posted By: Sam, on host 24.91.142.155
Date: Tuesday, February 13, 2001, at 15:49:33
In Reply To: Re: Am I crazy, or brilliant, or both? posted by Issachar on Tuesday, February 13, 2001, at 14:40:54:

> > I reject religion simply because of its base "everyone else is wrong" idea.
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> Okay, but that's the way science works, too.

Yes, and in fact that's the way EVERYTHING works. Science is one of many examples. Historians form opinions about facts, and by the mere act of taking a stance, necessarily adopt the position that dissenters are wrong. In politics: tax cuts, vouchers, minimum wage raises, are either good for the economy or not, good for unemployment or not, good for the lower, middle, or upper class or not. No one agrees, but people have exclusionary opinions.

But when it gets down to religion, for some reason you're a pompous donkey if you adopt the same fervence as you might do without controversy in any other area. For the agnostic, perhaps the confusion is understandable: for one who sees religion as an opinion ("Do I prefer football or hockey, grapes or strawberries?"), indeed it is folly to take a position and assume all others are "wrong." But to nearly any religious person, in nearly any religion, it is not an opinion but fact. Christians believe that it is a FACT that the Christian God, in the form of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, do indeed exist, that it is a historical FACT that Christ died on the cross to save us from our sins. Whether this is scientifically verifiable or not doesn't matter: it is a belief that certain facts are true, and that necessarily assumes that those people who do not believe them are wrong. Just like in any other discipline, be it science, history, politics, economics, social studies, math, engineering, and so forth.

What I'm trying to say is that it's a bit ridiculous to dismiss all religion on the grounds that religious people have the audacity to commit to an opinion.

Furthermore it's a bit foolish to discuss concepts such as the "soul" without bringing religion into it, and I rather take offense at your solicitation for opinions in the same breath that you dismiss those that upwards of what 80-90% of the world might give you. "Malarky" was the word you used. As someone so concerned with people who assume "everyone else is wrong," you're not very inconspicuous about holding a double standard.

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