> > > > Ok two, but the second one I'm sure you'll all have an argument for.
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> > > They both have roughly the same answer: poorly written screenplay.
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> > Makeing room for human error, I though the movie rocked. And considere this, the AI's could see what the guy looked like, they just had to show him his face in a mirror and then he would think "That is what I look like."
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> > As for the dieing in the Matrix, they may know that it isn't real, but their minds are still in there, it isn't their bodies being attacked but their mind. Once the mind is dead the body follows. It happenes in comic books I carracter goes into either VR or the Astral Plane, they get killed there, their mind never gets back to their bodies so they die. Also if the body is killed the mind will die as well. Can't have one and not the other.
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> > Speed'Isthatclear?'ball
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> I understand all that but my point is that their minds know that nothing else in the Matrix is real and so they can manipulate them to their minds content. Why is being killed any different? You might argue that they could only *bend* the laws of physics. They couldn't, for instance, fly, they could only *pause* in the air or jump farther than normal. But they still had to comply, eventually, to the laws. And I'd have to agree that you'd be right. But I still wonder how the mind could have that kind of a grasp on the reality of things and have absolutely *no* effect on death.
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> As for the AI knowing what he looked like. There was no evidence that they ever had any idea what there "citizens" looked like. Except for the "agents" and the octopus things there was nothing indicating any interaction with the AI at all. And since the agents were in the Matrix too, and the octopus things were search and destroy only, I don't see how either of them could have been responsible for knowing what he looked like.
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> Now I don't mean to down-play the movie. I readily admit that it had to be one of the best movies I have seen in... well... forever but I just can't get passed these two things about the movie. I have brought these arguments to several people with mixed results but no one has, as of yet, been able to make me comfortable with their answers.
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> Drac "Being difficult" imas

Well, we never saw any thing looking at them, but the computers don't want us to die, they feed off of our body heat and stuff. A sense of self is important to a humans psychie, so they would have to provide some way for the person to know what they look like. If the people never use their real eyes then the computer has to feed them what they look like. Remember, the Agent said that this isn't the first Matrix, the first was a Utopia, maybe included it that Utopia was a set up that everybody thought they looked beautiful, but they *knew* on some deeper level that that was not what they looked like. So when they created the 1999 Matrix world they had to include each person's true face.